After many years of commentary on most of the deafie forums, and in the course making a name for themselves in the name of deafness..The Heretics now banished from a “deaf voice” via The forums, retreat to the only place available to them..a place that is moderated by robots set to react upon words from a catalouge of non-discussables.
A place where they can cuss and spit …until the plug is pulled!
So its the end of BBC Ouch boards and its a shame, as there were a multitude of people who found support and guidance from these boards from all manner of disabilities, not just the deafie section. The Ouch section will move to the news dept…and the social interaction aspect ie the boards the BBC feel have been “out classed” by “self moderating” and “specialist” outlets on social networks.
Where does it leave those, who thought they were offering “specialist” voices?
The BBC have advised that they “find each other again” by 6th July 2011 and possibly move on towards the social networks.. for those who abhor the new arrangements, they will find themselves trapped in the archive “Tower” of the BBC.
Where are you going to go… “The circus” moderated by “specialist” clowns .. Hmmm!
legsmaniac
June 10, 2011
It is indeed a shame that the BBC Messageboards are being closed but I believe it’s for the best. There’s been far too many Trolls on the Tower of Babble with lies and deceit and much, much more.
Of course, it would have been far better if the BBC would kick out such trolls and contributors of lies and deceit, then the messageboards could continue for those who really used them properly and continue to enjoy them. This means those boards were not as well moderated as people liked to believe. For example, one such troll, MM, is banned from just about every other deaf forum on the planet, except the BBC Messageboards. The other forums are the ones that got it right and the BBC needed to listen. Closing is the next best thing.
The best place for them now is Facebook where no one else will want to join them. Peace at last.
MM
June 10, 2011
Says the same two people who used the D4L site for the express purpose of attacks on other deaf people, operated harrssemnt on their char sites which made deaf women leave, trolled BBC sites trying to shut down disability and deaf boards for sheer spite, and regularly use Twitter to attack deaf people and not just MM, who is immune to your childishness anyway, you two are very sad people.
gargly
June 10, 2011
I understand you are bitter, and I’m sorry but you have yourself to blame..when the going gets tough you resort to what you do best and make personal attacks. You sir have built up a lovely reputation for it spanning many years, you probably havn’t noticed or dare to care that others around you don’t really stoop to the levels you do…
Your personal crusade and gripe against myself is totally unfounded, I have not had cross words with you or anybody else personally, in the years of posting on boards, yet you wish to include me.
The D4L forum to which we moderate, is a social forum and not really a political one..as not many people are bothered with it , its left to other known forums and serious pundits for that.
I’m afraid you must have someone who rattles your cage, your private emails to individuals regarding issues you are not included in must be painful for you, as your words are wasted by years of foolish vendetta.
You are welcome to comment on my “hobby blog”..and always have been, its a respect I stupidly grant…heaven knows why?
legsmaniac
June 10, 2011
My dear MM – I would like to set you a challenge.
Your challenge, should you agree to accept it, is to provide links to proof of these alleged attacks on Deaf People using the D4L site and Twitter.
Should you not wish to accept this challenge and provide proof within the next 24 hours, we can safely assume that you have no proof and that your post was, once again, nothing but lies.
Why do you think you got banned from D4L? And all the other forums too?
Don’t worry, we too are immune to your childishness and know you to be a very sad individual, together with your cronies who are pulling your strings. Or whose strings you pull. We’ve not quite worked that one out yet.
Alan
June 12, 2011
Having read a lot of comments, I think you are wrong, you apparently have not contributed to the OUCH site for years nor SEE HEAR yet want it closed down for those that do ? does MM post to twitter/facebook ? I haven’t seen anything from him not even him responding to your blogs or cloning activity online, for years, he still got the moral high ground while you look simply as attackers. Best back off and let things go, and, move on, it’s not just MM but a lot of disabled people there too who will lose a board they love. You are just seen lumping them along with him, that’s's not fair.
gargly
June 12, 2011
Thank you for your comment Alan but I feel you don’t understand fully the reasons why the BBC have decided to close the Ouch boards, your information is misinformed and innacurate, We here have a basic understanding due to the amount of feedback we get from newbie posters and from the futile attempts to form some sort of moderation.
I personally don’t wish for the boards to close as it keeps extreme views contained, and it provides support on the other boards. Many who have used and posted on Ouch have been unfairly put off or put down for having personal views, often the poster is attacked and not the post so to speak, and this has gone on for too long.
Its time for change and move forward to modern Ideas using platforms far more flexible yet self moderating.
Certain pundits have commentated for a long time, and maybe its time to step down and allow change.
I know a number of Ouch supporters have branched off to form “Ouch too” and I wish them the best of luck for the future, and think seriously who they allow membership to as they will find disruption as many other forums have failed.
Alan
June 12, 2011
As I read it and after you posted, the disabled there didn’t want to go to more modern social sites, but wanted to stay where they were ? a lot just do not feel safe… they feel an affinity with the site, also Mr Legs seemed quite happy to laugh at the dismay of the disabled facing closure, I don’t think that was fair either. If you read Mr MM’s latest blog he has left the site, will you still campaign against OUCH now ? They want to stay, surely their choice ?
gargly
June 13, 2011
It makes no difference whether people stay or leave now as the BBC have made the decision to pull the plug..most have already departed like I’ve mentioned and have formed in principle a carbon copy of the boards..
If the heretic element stay out of there then it will be successful, its not the fact of the new platforms being unsafe it’s the fact that they are populated by the very people who know the antics of the few to well, so it’s not desirable for them to exile there.
I can’t speak for Mr Legs he has his own voice, but he deserves the right to correct what’s inaccurate, object to being shot down and slandered.
He doesn’t need to keep explaining himself..like others constantly do.
legsmaniac
June 12, 2011
“Mr Legs” is not quite happy to laugh at the closure of Ouch actually. If you read my post on Deaf4Life, I have actually expressed my sadness that Ouch is to close and in fact blame the sad people like MM who have, I believe, caused the demise of Ouch. I think it would have been far better to ban the likes of MM so that members could continue to enjoy Ouch. However, sadly, it’s not their choice since it’s the choice of the BBC to close it down and given that the poor moderation of the BBC kept those monkeys in Ouch, the closure of Ouch was the next best thing.
As for MM’s latest blog saying he’s left Ouch “for the good of the site”, rumour has it that MM has actually been suspended by the BBC from Ouch for all the libellous and defamatory posts he’s been making over the last two days.
A lot of what MM posts on his Blog should not be taken seriously because a lot of it is exaggerated lies.
legsmaniac
June 12, 2011
And 24 hours are up.
MM hasn’t been forthcoming with proof of these alleged attacks on Deaf People using the D4L site and Twitter.
From this, we can only assume he’s cannot find the proof. This is because there IS no proof.
legsmaniac
June 12, 2011
By the way, I’m sure we’re not the only ones thinking the closure of Ouch is for the best. There’s been a lot posted on Twitter and Facebook thinking it’s for the best. Even a post here from a Sir Cumference – http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/messageboards/NF2322276?thread=8235360
Anyway, there are plenty of other forums for disabled, especially specialist forums for each individual disabilities. I’m sure, with a little research that people will be able to find better places to go for help and discussion.
Alan
June 12, 2011
Shit ! sounds like he is well out of it to me. Do you have proof he was suspended ? I saw some comments removed, but so were yours !
Alan
June 12, 2011
Do you not think called disabled people ‘monkeys’ is highly offensive ? Sorry you have lost the argument, I’m warming to MM now…
legsmaniac
June 12, 2011
Yes, several comments have been removed. I have no idea why my own comments were removed because I never once resorted to attack. I suspect they’ll reappear once the Moderators have checked them. I have no idea why other posts disappeared since they went before I had a chance to read them.
And you misunderstand. I’m not calling disabled people monkeys. I’m referring to “the monkeys” who have been disrupting and attacking, spreading lies, the handful of people known to many of us as the Last of the Summer Whiners.
You can warm to who you like, I don’t really care. MM has, over the years, created a lot of enemies in the UK. He thrives on the Americans who he can fool into believing him. I’m not here to win any argument. You can believe who you like. That’s your prerogative.
legsmaniac
June 12, 2011
See what I mean about how MM twists things and posts lies in order to attack us and make himself look big?
He’s now posted on his own Blog “Garg Blog on deaf.read calls disabled ‘monkeys’…” and, unusually, he’s NOT provided a link to it this time. Why? Because by providing a link, readers of his blog would be able to see that the comment is NOT true!
He’s also disabled comments on his site so people cannot correct his lies. Chicken!
His claim that he has left the BBC site to avoid further attacks is also untrue. The BBC have confirmed he has been banned. About time too.
He was gonna make himself look big to save face, wasn’t he? LOL
gargly
June 13, 2011
..It’s what he does best, make provocation, his attempt to imitate a style of journalistic pose and therefor expose his lies to his readers via my blog says it all.
Its not a good example to show that the deaf in this country are at logger heads, because its not true we are united in agreement that there are bitter deafies out there.. “Who reap what they sow”..
Mel Sebastian
June 16, 2011
…and those who see the light eventually, have their comments removed from the “Dark place”..
“Remember the deeper you go the darker it gets”
Nesmuth
June 16, 2011
If a message board closes, start a new one. Its simple.
USA Deaf Citizen
June 16, 2011
Nesmuth,aka, “RR” (full name protected), ie.MM clone in USA
Good idea but it is not simple when you have your cronies such as (Names protected)
gargly
June 16, 2011
@ Nesmuth I am amazed that you are cloned from the man himself, so I assume you are “RR” is this correct? lol
@ USA Deaf Citizen The names you mention are unfamiliar to me, as they are American folk, but I imagine that you have the same issues as we over here…except you do have the code of a Gentleman and disclose the guys name..if it exposes truth and fairplay then so be it..
Alan.S
July 3, 2011
It looks like your message board is kicking you out as an moderator ? perhaps MM was right after all ? you do go off site and use twitter and your blog to attack not only MM but fellow members of your board. It’s an shame MM won’t respond here, but he kicked me out too, so I can’t respond to him. Y’all brit deaf have problems.
gargly
July 3, 2011
The forum I moderate certainly isn’t kicking me out, I don’t know where you get that information from?
I think you have got confused possibly with another Moderator of the forum, who by rights chooses to “tweet” his own thoughts independent from my views, though with regard to “our mutual friend” we do agree on some points, and likewise is not getting “kicked out”
Personally speaking I am not out of favour with any of my fellow deaf commentators, we on occasion disagree on certain views but I am very much in touch with the Deaf at the top, so to speak.
Our mutual friend isn’t wrong all the time, in fact he has a lot of valid points…but when he is in disagreement he does it with style, we all need the dark knight, the ani-figure and he and others do it with style.
Alan.S
July 3, 2011
You really do not want to read then what he forecasts for the future of your site then ? Thought you and Mr Legs were joined at the hip ? that spoof site must have been hard work for you both. I tried to ‘follow’ his blog he wasn’t buying it. When he cuts you out he does that with style too.
gargly
July 3, 2011
I can tell you now the future of my site, my site won’t be renewed its domain will end as I intend to move in another direction. If you mean D4L then that isn’t my site/forum it belongs to somebody else and despite the odd hiccup it has a very good following and the backing of good people. Our mutual friend’s words are no way accurate nor his standing credibility, not in this country anyway he relies on the Deaf Read American following.
I am not joined to the hips of anybody, the spoof site wasn’t hard to do and I cannot claim it as my work either, that blog belongs to someone else… I merely follow along with others that I read.
You will be blocked by our mutual friend, if he considers your writings close to agreement with anybody he has issues with, including those he disagreed with in the past, present or future.
Thats his aim and position to be the “critic” you should be honoured that he mentions you or writes on your blog.
Alan
July 4, 2011
Just an end note dude, I looked him up, he is an member of FOUR message boards in the UK 2 deaf 2 not. None have kicked him out. So your claim the UK disowns him doesn’t see very accurate. Anyways… he don’t want to know you or me, boo hoo.
gargly
July 4, 2011
To end your end note..Alan lol!
The message boards you mention have not kicked him out no, as they either belong to him..or to one of his few friends.
You though are very welcome to contribute to any board I am associated with..
Regards